Potential Resource-Pages about "Age of the Earth" Geology

This is a temporary page.  It's intended to be useful during the process of selecting useful pages for the Origins Questions website (*), but it will also be useful if you just want to learn about the topics.    {* If you want to be part of the "process of selecting" by evaluating pages and providing feedback, read the reviewer's page.}

Here are some VIEWING TIPS:
to improve your understanding, read pages in both columns, left (young earth) and right (old earth);
if you use a smaller font size, the two-column table will behave better in your browser;
italicized links are inside-the-page, non-italicized links open a new page in a new window;
AIG-linked is a non-AIG page linked to by AIG, AIG-YE-claim is in AIG's page for Young Age Evidence;
words in [square brackets] are my page-description (not their page-title) or my editorial comments;
titles in brown (on left side) were chosen by Ashby Camp for his links-page at TrueOrigins.org, and
titles in green & purple (on right side) are brief responses from Neyman & Isaak, as explained here.

Within each section, pages are organized using multiple criteria:  SIZE (shorter pages are earlier) plus READABILITY and/or VISUAL APPEAL (better is earlier), QUALITY (based on my quick non-expert evaluations; better pages are earlier, but this is often trumped by other factors), SOURCE (for example, YE pages by ICR and AIG are usually early, since they're prominent YE organizations), and SUB-TOPIC or AUTHOR (by grouping these pages together).

more age-science:  There are similar two-column pages listing "potential resources" for Noah's Flood and Radiometric Dating and Astronomy.
 

 

TOPIC-CATEGORIES in this page:
Overviews   Hybrid Geology   Claims & Responses   —   Scientific Methods   —   Carbonates   Coral Reefs   Caves   Stalactites   —   Geological Column   Stratigraphy   OverThrust   Deformation   Unconformities   Seismic Data   Metamorphism   Sandstone & Shale   Igneous-Sedimentary   Clastic Dikes   Layers with Details   Paleosols   Evaporites   Sed-Experiments   Varves   Grand Canyon   Canyon Formation   Fast Canyons   Mt Saint Helens   Volcanic Islands   Volcanos   Basalt Geology   Volcanic Dikes   Granite   —   Gems   Coal   Oil   Niagara Falls   Erosion   Ocean Sediment   Ocean Salt   Helium   —   Noah's Flood   Flood Water   Vapor Canopy   Plate Tectonics   Flood Volcanos   Meteors   Fish & Plants   Ice Age   Ice Cores   —   Tree Rings   Magnetic Field   DNA Dating   Population Growth   —   Fossils Overview   Rapid Rocks   Fossil Forests   Rapid Burials   Polystrate Fossils   Fossil Graveyards   Seashells on Mountains   Grand Canyon Fossils   Small-Fossil Patterns   Patterns in Fossils   Pollen in Old Rocks   Organics in Old Rocks   Bacteria in Old Salt   DNA in Old Rocks   Dinosaur Footprints   Paluxy Tracks   Human Fossils   Humans & Dinos   Dinosaurs   Living Fossils/Dinos   Dinosaur Extinction   Mammoths

The current links-sections for Geology — underdeveloped and needing expansion — is inside Age of the Earth - Scientific Evidence.

 

 

 

 
YOUNG-EARTH VIEWS
 

 
OLD-EARTH VIEWS
 

 
overviews of YE geology — YE claims & debates

J.Morris - [geology in Creation Week]  http://icr.org/article/507/10/
and [geology during the Flood]  http://icr.org/article/506/12/

Walker - Biblical Geology [12-pages series] http://biblicalgeology.net/content/view/46/43/

Camp - [summary of major book by Kurt Wise] *  http://creationresearch.org/creation_matters/pdf/2002/cm07%2005a.pdf


multiple YE claims

Humphreys - [astronomy, geology, radiometric,...] http://icr.org/article/1842/

Wieland - mainly geology]  http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v23/i1/howold.asp

Sarfati - [geology, radiometric,...] [Ch 8 of Refuting Evolution]  http://answersingenesis.org/home/area/re1/chapter8.asp

Gish - [summary: "age" is in Parts 5 & 6]  http://icr.org/article/177/

Roth - [erosion rates (in 1-4) & more]  http://grisda.org/origins/13064.htm

AIG - [review of "Evolving Planet" exhibit] http://answersingenesis.org/docs2006/0429evolving-planet.asp 

 
Vardiman - [post-RATE research at ICR]  http://icr.org/article/2468/6/


debates about YE "flood geology" models

Wise & Snelling, Pre-Flood/Flood Boundary in Grand Canyon [an example of questions about “what happened” in Creation Week and during Flood] * http://grisda.org/origins/58007.pdf

Tyler, Flood Models & Trends in Creationist Thinking * [in top half of page] http://creationresearch.org/creation_matters/97/cm9705.html#Trends

McIntosh, Edmondson, & Taylor [two papers in TJ, re: debates among YEs] -- Flood Models: the need for an integrated approach *  http://answersingenesis.org/home/area/magazines/tj/docs/14n1flood_models.asp and The Flood as the Major Biblical Cataclysm * http://answersingenesis.org/tj/v14/i1/catastrophe.asp

Chadwick, A Creation/Flood Model * http://origins.swau.edu/papers/global/chadwick/default.html

Noel & Noel, A Scientific Paradigm for the Genesis Flood * [long] http://www.bibleonly.org/gen/JATSFlood.PDF

also check "Plate Tectonics" section for flood models

 

 
overviews of scientific geology — with multiple OE claims

The earth is 6,000-10,000 years old. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH210.html

Roberts - 15 geology-pages in 3 files:  http://lordibelieve.org/time/age1.PDF  http://lordibelieve.org/time/age2.PDF   http://lordibelieve.org/time/age3.PDF plus pages 16-25 (...age4.PDF) in "radiometric" section, 26-34 in "plate tectonics", and 35-41 in the "astronomy" page, and cover http://lordibelieve.org/time/AgeEarthcover.PDF  foreword & bibliography http://lordibelieve.org/time/AgeEarthforeword.PDF & Table of Contents http://lordibelieve.org/time/AgeEarthTOC.PDF

Roberts - Flood Geology  http://lordibelieve.org/floodgeology.doc

Roberts - (5 powerpoint files) http://lordibelieve.org/PU01/

Neyman - YE geology & stratigraphy [5 parts, 123 are Grand Canyon, plus some GC in 45, so is also in GC section of page]  http://answersincreation.org/stratigraphy.htm

Neyman - review of AIG's "Answer Book" (parts of this are in the relevant topic-sections) http://answersincreation.org/abr.htm

Don Stoner [book, Ch 5 is "multiple supports for OE", nice intro + variety of topics, but lots about "moon dust" that is now strawman since AIG agrees and rejects it]  http://answers.org/newlook/NLCHPTR5.HTM

USGS [basic principles, not YE-focused]  http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/geotime/contents.html

TO-faq Stassen - Age of Earth [OE radiometric, and responses to YE claims] http://talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-age-of-earth.html

TO-faq MacRae - The Geological Time Scale - http://talkorigins.org/faqs/timescale.html

Jones - theology/science overview  http://members.iinet.net.au/%7Esejones/yngearth.html
Jones
- geo-timescale table http://members.iinet.net.au/%7Esejones/gltmsc00.html

Deem? [distant starlight + list of phenomena with minimum ages]  http://godandscience.org/youngearth/ageofuniverse.html

Young, Davis A. -- How Old Is It? How Do We Know? A Review of Dating Methods  --  Part 1:  Relative Dating, Absolute Dating, and Non-radiometric Dating Methods -- http://asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2006/PSCF12-06Young.pdf   
Part 2
- radiometric (isochrons,...) March-2007 [not online yet] ,  Part 3 in June-2007

Gore - http://www.gpc.edu/~pgore/geology/geo102/agea.htm

Wise [history-etc] - http://members.aol.com/dwise1/cre_ev/geology.html

Wonderly - The Date of Creation: Bible-Compatible Evidences for Great Age  http://ibri.org/DVD-1/Papers/Creation_Date/CreationDate.htm

Wonderly [online book] - Neglect of Geological Data -- http://ibri.org/DVD-4/Books/Wonderly-Neglect/Wonderly-Neglect.htm  Neglect of Geologic Data: Sedimentary Strata Compared with Young-Earth Creationist Writings.  http://asa3.org/ASA/resources/Wonderly2006.pdf

Wonderly [online book] - God's Time-Records in Ancient Sediments:  Evidences of Long Time Spans in Earth's History. http://ibri.org/DVD-4/Daniel.E.Wonderly/Daniel.E.Wonderly.html


uniformitarian & catastrophism

Austin, Did Landscapes Evolve? * http://icr.org/article/211/

H.Morris - Biblical Uniformitarianism  http://icr.org/article/860/6/

Oard - The story that won't be told [about the Lake Missoula flood] [an interesting commentary on history of science, especially if supplemented by non-YE histories] http://answersingenesis.org/docs2003/1209missoula.asp

Snelling - Iceland’s recent ‘mega-flood’  http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v21/i3/iceland.asp

 
modern geology is a hybrid — uniformitarian plus catastrophic

Uniformitarian assumption is untenable.  http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD200.html

Many geologic features are catastrophic in origin  http://answersincreation.org/argument/G321_creation_science.htm
The Flood shaped the earth's surface in other ways. [but YECs will say "so what?" because "Noah's Flood [as they propose] wasn't like scablands flood"]  http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH580.html

Lindsay - http://don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/uniform.html

Neyman - Catastrophism or Uniformitarianism?  http://answersincreation.org/catastrophism.htm

Neyman - #1  http://answersincreation.org/mountsainthelens.htm
[this is from section for "Mt St Helens"]


YE responses to multiple OE claims

Walker - Geology and the Young Earth [response to OE claims] AIG-YE-claim  http://biblicalgeology.net/content/view/29/39/  and
 http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v21/i4/geology.asp  [these are almost same, but second page has ad hominem introduction
attacking Hayward (who currently is not a major figure in origins) and references at end]

Sarfati - Problems with a Global Flood? [response to Mark Isaak] http://trueorigin.org/arkdefen.asp


dialogue — OE and YE

1. TO-faq by Isaak (OE) - Problems with a Global Flood  http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html
2. Sarfati (YE) - [re: response to Isaak]  http://www.trueorigin.org/arkdefen.asp
3. Henke (OE) - [re: Sarfati, is mainly flood geology
, while Isaak & Sarfati focused mainly on things like the ark & animals] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Thebes/7755/henke/krh-floodnonsense.html

internet debate on TalkOrigins
Age of the Earth — Debate: Chris Stassen (OE) & Bob Bales (YE) http://talkorigins.org/faqs/debate-age-of-earth.html

 
OE responses to multiple YE-claims

Most topic sections have brief responses from AnswersInCreation (in green) and TalkOrigins (in purple) for YE claims in their own two lists: http://answersincreation.org/young_earth_creationist_argument_index.htm   http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html

Tiscareno - http://www.godandscience.org/youngearth/yeclaims.php also is at http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~matthewt/yeclaimsbeta.html

Morton - http://home.entouch.net/dmd/age.htm

Morton - 12 False Statements by Anti-Evolutionary Apologists [it mixes questions about WHEN and HOW]  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/wrong.htm

TO-faq Matson [re: Hovind's YE-list] -- homepage (with table of contents) http://talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood.html and
main-1  http://talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-yea.html
main-2  http://talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-yea2.html
geo-column  http://talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-gc.html
carbon-14  http://talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-c14.html
more-age  http://talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-add.html
more-evoln  http://talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-misc.html

Matson (another Hovind-list) http://www.kent-hovind.com/matson/proofs.htm

Neyman - (re: more Hovind, by Malone) http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/cse/cse_young_earth.htm

Deem - "All of the 'scientific' evidence for a young earth suffer from one of the following flaws: faulty assumptions;  use of faulty data;  avoidance of data that refutes the position."

 

 


THE TWO BOOKS OF GOD
(links-page) — http://www.asa3.org/ASA/education/origins/twobooks2.htm


Logical Scientific Methods

Ham - A Young Earth: it's not the issue! [is authority of Bible] http://answersingenesis.org/docs/1866.asp

Ham - [seeing through a "Secular Lens & Biblical Lens" produces OE & YE science] http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/overheads/pages/oh20020809_131.asp

J.Morris - Can scientists study the past?  http://www.icr.org/article/1110  

Wiebe - Parable of the Candle [re: two books & apparent age]  http://answersingenesis.org/docs/1247.asp

Sherwin - Follow the Evidence! [scientists should do this] [ed: contrast this with Neyman's "Creation Scientists??"]  http://icr.org/article/3229/105/

Mortenson - What is the most compelling scientific evidence of a young earth? [re: apologetics] http://answersingenesis.org/home/area/feedback/2006/0303.asp

Hoesch - The Prestige of Historical Geology  http://icr.org/article/3230/105/

Ham - [museum: storytelling in science] http://answersingenesis.org/docs2006/0501discover.asp

Ham - [pomo science for Grand Canyon] http://icr.org/article/685/109/
 


Logical Scientific Methods

Neyman - Empirical Evidence, or Ignorant Bliss? [ed: good overview]  http://answersincreation.org/commentary/evidence_csc5.htm

Neyman - YE Scientist?? [YECs are biased, use science but are not open-minded scientists] http://answersincreation.org/commentary/scientist_csc3.htm

Morton - Morton's Demon [when he was YE he ignored all OE-evidence]  http://answersincreation.org/mortond.htm

Neyman - Romans 1:20, Clear Support for an Old Earth [YECs ignore clear evidence from nature]  http://answersincreation.org/romans120.htm

Neyman - The Grand Tetons [geologists don't date by "looks"] [ed: is about minor YE-author]  http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/other/sdc/sdc_grand_tetons.htm

Neyman - [non-open] [need focus instead of shotgun approach] [ed: is about minor author]  http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/aig/daily/2006/20060524_salt.htm
 

 

 


limestone - CaCO3 carbonates

AIG - [lime mud & limestone]  http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v17/i3/limestone.asp

Snelling - Can flood geology explain thick chalk layers? * http://answersingenesis.org/tj/v8/i1/chalk.asp

Walker [response to Wilson's letter] * http://answersingenesis.org/home/area/feedback/negative13-mar-2001.asp

Austin [lime muds & fossil refs] * AIG-linked http://icr.org/article/337/

Roth - [shell-sediments in deep ocean] *  in short version [at bottom of page] http://grisda.org/origins/12003.htm#Roth and long version http://grisda.org/origins/12048.htm

[Roth's pages are also in Ocean Sediments along with two pages by/about Vardiman]

 
limestone chalk-hardgrounds (CaCO3 carbonates)

Limestone and dolomite layers are too extensive for normal deposition  http://answersincreation.org/argument/G324_creation_science.htm
Limestone and dolomite layers are too extensive for normal deposition. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD203.html

Morton - not enough carbonate  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/limehash.htm

Neyman - no carbonate http://answersincreation.org/nochalk.htm

Wonderly [hardgrounds] + Wilson [geo-details in letter to AIG] http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/hg.htm

 


coral reefs

Weston - Coral [biology]: animal, vegetable and mineral  AIG-YE-claim http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v25/i1/coral.asp#tale

AIG - How long does a coral reef take to grow? AIG-YE-claim http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v14/i1/coral_reef.asp

Walker - Not ancient 'reefs' but catastrophic deposits  AIG-YE-claim http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v25/i1/catastrophic.asp

Roth-1995, Fossil Reefs and Time * http://grisda.org/origins/22086.htm

Roth-1979, Coral Reef Growth * AIG-YE-claim http://grisda.org/origins/06088.htm

Hodges, Fossil Binding in Modern and Ancient Reefs * http://grisda.org/origins/14084.htm

 
coral reefs

Coral reef growth has been exaggerated by a factor of 40  http://answersincreation.org/argument/E62_creation_science.htm

Phillips - Coral Reefs... http://ibri.org/DVD-1/Tracts/reefstct.htm

Phillips - [coral & earth rotation] http://ibri.org/DVD-1/Tracts/tidaltct.htm  
Lindsay - [coral & mooncycles] http://don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/coral.html
Poropudas - Using Coral as a Clock [technical, may need a cover-page to provide an overview and guide a reader through it, IF it's considered worthwhile]  http://don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/coral-clocks.txt

Wonderly - Coral Reefs... http://ibri.org/DVD-4/RRs/RR016/16coral.htm
this 1983 paper was preceded by a 1981, which is in a web-format that's awkward to use and (by modem) is very slow http://ibri.org/DVD-4/Daniel.E.Wonderly/81-CoralReef/README.htm

Wonderly - [pre-flood limestone/coral]  http://ibri.org/DVD-4/Daniel.E.Wonderly/89-PriorFlood/README.htm

EH - Reefs [re: Roth-1995 at left] http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/roth.htm

EH - Reefs and YEC http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/reef.htm

EH - Microbolites [reefs] http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/newstrom.htm

 
Morton - hot anhydrites [ed: is this important?]  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/hot.htm


limestone caves

Doolan & Snelling,... - Limestone Caves * http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v9/i4/caves.asp

Oard - Rapid Cave Formation by Sulfuric Acid Dissolution * http://answersingenesis.org/tj/v12/i3/cave.asp

Silvestru - Caves for all seasons http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v25/i3/caves.asp

Austin, Origin of Limestone Caves * AIG-linked  http://icr.org/indexarticle/161

 
limestone caves

Neyman - [re: Doolan & Snelling at left]  http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/magazines/Creation/1987/caves.htm

Neyman - [re: Oard at left]  http://answersincreation.org/sulfuric.htm

Morton - caves in Texas  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/ellenburger.htm

 


stalactites & stalagmites

Wieland - Caving in to reality  http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v20/i1/caving_in.asp

Meyers & Doolan - Rapid Stalactites? http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v9/i4/stalactites.asp

AIG - Bottle stalagmite   http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v17/i2/stalagmite.asp

Batten - ‘Instant’ stalagmites  http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i4/stalagmites.asp

Jamieson - Do ancient stalactites really exist? http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v16/i1/stalactites.asp

 
stalactites & stalagmites

Stalactites can grow very rapidly  http://answersincreation.org/argument/G351_creation_science.htm
Stalactites can grow very rapidly. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD250.html

 

 
 

 


geological column

J.Morris - [YE theory for Geologic Strata] AIG-linked http://icr.org/article/2478/107/

Austin - Ten Misconceptions about the GC http://icr.org/article/242/107/

Woodmorappe, The GeoC: Does It Exist? * AIG-linked http://trueorigin.org/geocolumn.asp

Pitman, [long overview with many YE claims] * http://naturalselection.0catch.com/Files/geologiccolumn.html


Froede & Reed - Assessing Creationist Stratigraphy with Evidence from the Gulf of Mexico  http://trueorigin.org/cfjrgulf.asp

 
geological column

The geologic column was deposited by the Flood  http://answersincreation.org/argument/N4311_creation_science.htm
The geologic column was deposited by the Flood. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH550.html

Entire geological column does not exist  http://answersincreation.org/argument/G21_creation_science.htm
Entire geological column does not exist. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD101.html

The geological column is sometimes out of order  http://answersincreation.org/argument/G22_creation_science.htm
The geological column is sometimes out of order. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD102.html

Experiments show that strata can violate principles of superposition. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD240.html

The geologic column is based on the assumption of evolution  http://answersincreation.org/argument/G23_creation_science.htm
The geologic column is based on the assumption of evolution. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD103.html

Meteor craters are never found in deeper strata.  http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD110.html
Meteorites are never found in deeper strata. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD111.html

TO by G.Morton - [entire GeoC in N.Dakota] http://talkorigins.org/faqs/geocolumn and a newer version (formating not as good, but includes 5 or 6 more "whole column" locations, http://home.entouch.net/dmd/geo.htm

Morton - Can Reed & Froede Kill the Geologic Column?  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/geo1.htm
Neyman - [re: Reed & Froede] http://answersincreation.org/cstrat.htm


stratigraphy

As explained at the right, maybe this topic-category should be eliminated.  (or maybe other pages should be moved INTO it?)

Froede - [YE stratigraphy model, as in Georgia] http://creationresearch.org/crsq/articles/42/42_2/tertiary_stratigraphy.htm

 
stratigraphy

It's tough to categorize for this topic because it covers so much and so many pages could fit, but most "stratigraphy" pages can also be put into other categories, and they have been.  (So should this topic be eliminated? and move Tanner into "overviews"?)

• Tanner, William F., Real World Stratigraphy and the Noachian Flood - http://asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/1996/PSCF3-96Tanner.html


overthrust faults

[ed:  Do YE pages about this exist, and I just missed them?  Or do YECs make claims about "out of order" rocks, but don't mention overthrusting because they want to deny it?]

 
overthrust faults

Out-of-order strata occur at the Lewis Overthrust  http://answersincreation.org/argument/G221_creation_science.htm
Out-of-order strata occur at the Lewis Overthrust. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD102_1.html

[description of Lewis overthrust]  http://www.glacier.national-park.com/info.htm#geo

TO (Hanes) - [how Lewis happened] - http://talkorigins.org/faqs/lewis-overthrust.html

TO (Solum) - Thrust Faults & Lewis Overthrust - http://talkorigins.org/faqs/lewis

?? - [mis-quoting about Lewis] [this is part of a website-section about "Creationist Lies"] http://members.cox.net/ardipithecus/evol/lies/lie003.html


GM - How Overthrusts Occur  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/othrust.htm

GM - [in Rockies & Appalachians] http://home.entouch.net/dmd/appalach.htm
GM - [in Appalachians]  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/appalach1.htm

EH - [currently in Taiwan] http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/thrust.htm

 
plastic deformation (folded rocks)

Walker - [folded rocks in Grand Canyon]  http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v25/i1/grandcanyon.asp

Allen - Warped Earth http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v25/i1/warped.asp

 
plastic deformation (folded rocks)

Folded rocks must have been soft when folded  http://answersincreation.org/argument/G63_creation_science.htm
Folded rocks must have been soft when folded. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD510.html

Neyman - Truth About Plastic Deformation http://answersincreation.org/plasticdeformation.htm

 
erosion-gaps & unconformities

Snelling - [missing gaps in Grand Canyon]    http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v14/i3/time.asp

Roth - [sed-gaps: unconformities...] * http://grisda.org/origins/15075.htm

 
erosion-gaps & unconformities

Morton - [at Siccar Point]  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/unconformity.htm

 

 
seismic data (re: sediments, faults, overthrusts,...)

 

 
seismic data (re: overthrusts, unconformities,...)

seismic data & implications for global flood  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/seismic.htm

Seismic Data and the Age of the Earth  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/seismic1.htm

 
metamorphic process

Snelling - [rapid metamorphism in Flood] AIG-linked http://icr.org/article/2603/

Snelling, Regional Metamorphism... [and garnet formation] [July 1994 at conference] * http://icr.org/research/index/researchp_as_regionalmetamorphism/

Snelling, [...Regional Metamorphism] [April 1994 in TJ] http://answersingenesis.org/tj/v8/i1/metamorphism.asp

 
metamorphic process

 

 
sedimentary — sandstone & shale

Snelling & Austin [Cococino dposition, footprints] * http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v15/i1/flood.asp

Walker - Shifting sands  http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v24/i1/shiftingsands.asp

Walker - [Hutton & Siccar Point sandstone]  http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v27/i1/icon.asp

Walker - [Three Sisters] http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v25/i2/sisters.asp

Froede - [source for Navajo Sandstone] http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v18/i2/sandstone.asp

 
sedimentary — sandstone, shale,...

[this needs intro to define/explain sandstone & shale]

Sandstone layers are too extensive for normal deposition  http://answersincreation.org/argument/G322_creation_science.htm
Shale layers are too extensive for normal deposition  http://answersincreation.org/argument/G323_creation_science.htm
Sandstone and shale layers are too extensive for normal deposition. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD202.html

The Coconino Sandstone in the Grand Canyon is water-deposited  http://answersincreation.org/argument/G311_creation_science.htm
Coconino Sandstone was deposited underwater. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC365_1.html

Neyman - The "Desert" Problem  http://answersincreation.org/desertproblem.htm
Neyman - [re: Snelling & Austin - at left] http://answersincreation.org/coconino.htm
Neyman - [re: Froede- at left] http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/magazines/TJ/v18/TJ18_navajo_sandstone.htm

 
igneous & metamorphic becoming sedimentary

 
igneous & metamorphic becoming sedimentary

Morton - [a process for pebbles]  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/pebbles.htm

Morton - The Fish is Served With a Delicate Creamy Mercury Sauce http://home.entouch.net/dmd/mercury.htm  [ed: would YECs agree with GM's claims that this is how it occurred? most YECs think God would not create fossil-containing strata in Creation Week because this would give an appearance of "death before sin" but they might say that any types of non-fossil strata are OK;  but they must explain any strata above where they "draw a line" between geology that is pre-Flood and during-Flood]

TO (Moore) - [volcanic ash into shale?] http://talkorigins.org/faqs/ashfall.html

EH - Weathering Mantles http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/sap.htm


clastic (sedimentary) dikes

Roth, Clastic Dikes * http://grisda.org/origins/04053.htm

Roth, Clastic Pipes & Dikes in Kodachrome Basin * http://grisda.org/origins/19044.htm

Walker - Fluidisation Pipes * http://answersingenesis.org/tj/v14/i3/pipes.asp

J.Morris - [clastic pipes] AIG-YE-claim http://icr.org/article/2823/10/

sedimentary phenomena (YE claims)

[editor's confession:  These are here because I'm not sure how to categorize them;  are they sort of analogous to asking "can you explain this" in Morton's challenges?

Chadwick, [megabreccias due to catastrophism] *  http://grisda.org/origins/05039.htm

Snelling - [sandstone, conglomerate-sed,...]  http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v20/i2/uluru.asp

Lalomov - [Crimean Peninsula, Tavrick Formation: sandstone, shale,...]  http://creationresearch.org/crsq/articles/38/38_3/Crimean.htm

Oard & Klevberg - [rounded coarse "rim gravel" in Arizona] http://creationresearch.org/crsq/articles/42/42_1/deposits_arizona.htm

 
clastic (sedimentary) dikes

Morton - Why Clastic Dykes... http://home.entouch.net/dmd/clasdyke.htm

 


stratigraphy with layers of DETAILS

Hoesch - [reply, re: drought/mudcracks] http://icr.org/article/3111/109/

Pitman [section about burrows] - http://naturalselection.0catch.com/Files/geologiccolumn.html#Shale%20Beds

Woody - [paleokarsts; details of carbonates] * http://answersingenesis.org/home/area/magazines/tj/docs/v15n3_paleokarst.asp

There isn't much on this side of the table, since I haven't found many YE attempts to explain how these  "layers with details" could occur if the layers were laid down during a global flood.

 

 
stratigraphy with layers of DETAILS

Morton (GM) -  [bio-varnish]  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/varnish.htm
[turtle] Poop  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/poop.htm
many geo-details http://home.entouch.net/dmd/NorthSeaTime.htm
[carbonate with burrows]  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/hardgrounds.htm

GM - sideways burrows  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/burrows.htm
sideways burrows http://home.entouch.net/dmd/orkney.htm
sand/shale burrows  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/haymond.htm
buried channels  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/rivchan.htm
buried canyons  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/canyons.htm
termites & dinos  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/termites.htm
tracks & raindrops  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/Tracks.htm
fossilized dung  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/bathroom.htm
insects in amber  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/amber.htm
multi-droughts  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/droughts.htm
thick + details  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/difunta.htm
geological details  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/monument.htm 
salt deposits  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/saltandmeteors.htm
flood lithification  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/oilwellcores.htm 

similar facts are described in an "EarthHistory" (EH) website:
Dino Eggs [details] http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/eggs.htm


paleosols in layers (more details)

Walker, Paleosols: digging deeper 'buries' challenge to Flood geology * http://answersingenesis.org/tj/v17/i3/paleosols.asp
[this is about Meert, but is there a YE response to Clarke?]

 

 
paleosols in layers (more details)

Clarke - Paleosoils and their Implications to the Flood  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/paleosol.htm

Meert [3 strikes] [ed: maybe I'll "snip the middle" (including most of the "attitude") and post part of it, re: geo-column & paleosols, on the left side paired with Walker] http://gondwanaresearch.com/hp/paleosol.htm

EH - [examples of fossil soils in the geologic record: a bibliography] [ed: we'll have to check to see how many of these are available on the web;  and it would also be more user-friendly if they were arranged according to suggestions for "what to read first,..." instead of alphabetically;  but the sheer number of citations should indicate the magnitude of the problem for YE theories]  http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/pweathering.htm

Average soil depth is consistent with a young earth  http://answersincreation.org/argument/G72_creation_science.htm
Average soil depth is consistent with a young earth. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD620.html


evaporites (salt deposits in geology)

J.Morris - Does Salt [in geology formations] Come from Evaporated Sea Water? AIG-YE-claim http://icr.org/article/532/62/

 
evaporites (salt deposits in geology)

Evaporites could form without evaporation  http://answersincreation.org/argument/G41_creation_science.htm
Evaporites could form without evaporation. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD301.html

Evaporites are too thick  http://answersincreation.org/argument/G42_creation_science.htm
Evaporites are too thick. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD302.html

Evaporites contain no organic matter  http://answersincreation.org/argument/G43_creation_science.htm
Evaporites contain no organic matter. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD303.html


sedimentation experiments (to explain varves,...)

Berthault, Experiments in Stratification * http://icr.org/article/473/

Berthault - Experiments on Lamination of Sediments http://answersingenesis.org/tj/v3/i1/lamination.asp

Snelling [re: Berthault expmts] * http://answersingenesis.org/tj/v11/i2/nature.asp  

Walker - [artificial chemical fast formation of sed-rock]  http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v24/i2/rapid_rock.asp

 
sedimentation experiments (to explain varves,...)

Experiments show that strata can violate principles of superposition. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD240.html

 

 
varves — laminations

Garner, Green River Blues * http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i3/greenriver.asp

J.Morris - [Green River supports YE]  http://icr.org/article/530/10/

AIG - [counter-response to letter by John Clavis (is he a worthy representative for OE? why choose this letter?) about Garner] * http://answersingenesis.org/home/area/feedback/negative2feb2001.asp

Batten - [ways to get sand-layers] * AIG-YE-claim   http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i1/sandy.asp

Howard - Varves: Problems for Standard Geochronology * [the website-homepage just says "coming soon" - ??] http://creationinthecrossfire.com/documents/Varves/VarvesProblems.htm

Whitmore - Exploding Fish, Evidence for Rapid Burial  http://answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v1/n2/exploding-fish

Woolley - [fish preservation & coprolites, re: Morton-3 at right] http://answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/i1/greenriver.asp



 
varves

Lindsay - Counting Rock Layers  http://don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/varves.html

Phillips - Varves: Layered Sediments as Evidence for an Old Earth http://ibri.org/DVD-1/Tracts/varvetct.htm

Varves can form in less than a year  http://answersincreation.org/argument/G3621_creation_science.htm
Varves can form in less than a year. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD241.html 

Morton-1 [uniform varves]  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/castile.htm

Morton-2 [a "mixed" page with three sections (#2, 3, 4) about Varves, Pollen in the Varves, Carbon-14 and Varves] http://home.entouch.net/dmd/age.htm

Neyman - The Truth about Varves  http://answersincreation.org/varves.htm

Neyman - Green River Formation and the Flood http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/magazines/TJ/v20/TJ20_green_river.htm

Morton-3  Creationist Misuse of Green River Formation  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/greenriver.htm

Henke - varve fossil beds - http://answersincreation.org/clarkia.htm

 
Grand Canyon

JMorris - GC isn't evidence for OE  http://icr.org/article/1129/

AIG - [GC as Monument to Flood]  http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v18/i2/grand_canyon.asp

Hoesch - [re: lower GC] http://icr.org/article/3342/  - 3 k

Vail - What is the message? http://answersingenesis.org/docs2005/1222gc.asp

Parker - http://answersingenesis.org/home/area/cfol/ch3-grand-canyon.asp

 many articles (both YE and OE) about Grand Canyon are in other sections, where specific aspects are examined, but we should find a GC-series like those on the right side

 
Grand Canyon

Neyman - review of Grand Canyon: Monument to Catastrophe  http://answersincreation.org/bookreview/monument/gcbr.htm 
Ch 3 - Interpreting Strata  http://answersincreation.org/bookreview/monument/c3.htm
Ch 4 - Interpreting Strata  http://answersincreation.org/bookreview/monument/c4.htm
Ch 7 - Fossils in GC  http://answersincreation.org/bookreview/monument/c7.htm

Neyman - Stratigraphy... [Parts 1-3 are about GC] [this is also listed in "overviews"]  http://answersincreation.org/stratigraphy.htm   

Woolf - introduction  http://www.jwoolfden.com/gc_intro.html
forming the plateau  http://www.jwoolfden.com/gc_rocks.html
cutting the canyon  http://www.jwoolfden.com/gc_canyon.html
conclusion  http://www.jwoolfden.com/gc_summary.html

Earth-History (EH) - Grand Canyon Strata:
Precambrian http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/grand.htm
Paleozoic http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/grandb.htm
Triassic http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/grand2.htm
Jurassic-Cenozoic http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/grand2b.htm
Evaluating Flood Geology
http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/grand3.htm

GC Explorer - what GC is  http://www.bobspixels.com/kaibab.org/geology/gc_layer.htm
and how it formed  http://www.bobspixels.com/kaibab.org/geology/gc_geol.htm

 
erosion to form Grand Canyon

 

 
erosion to form Grand Canyon

The Grand Canyon was carved by retreating Flood waters. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH581.html

Neyman - review of Grand Canyon Ch 5 – How was the GC eroded?  http://answersincreation.org/bookreview/monument/c5.htm
Neyman - Missing Rivers? [in GC]   http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/other/sdc/missingrivers.htm

The mouth of the Colorado River does not have enough sediment for the Grand Canyon  http://answersincreation.org/argument/G331_creation_science.htm
The mouth of the Colorado River does not have enough sediment for the Grand Canyon. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD210.html

Morton - Colorado River Argument [of Steve Austin]  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/grandcanyon.htm

 
fast canyon formation — Grand Canyon analogies

J.Morris - [fast-forming Burlingame Canyon]  http://icr.org/article/566/12/ and with slightly different text, and pictures added, in AIG - http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v24/i4/canyon.asp

Silvestru - [Kettle River Gorge] http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/4837/

Gibson - [fast canyon in Georgia] http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v22/i4/canyon.asp

White & Taylor - [flood splits Britain from Europe] http://answersingenesis.org/docs2006/0929flood.asp

 
fast canyon formation — Grand Canyon analogies

Neyman - [Burlingame] Canyon Deception  http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/icr/drjohn/drjohn_156.htm

Neyman - Kettle River Gorge [not a major claim?]  http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/cmi/article/2007/20070116_cmi_kettle_river_gorge.htm

 

 
Mt Saint Helens (as example of catastrophism)

GRI - summary: "Rapid Erosion..." http://grisda.org/origins/11063.htm

Austin - [overview-summary] * AIG-linked http://icr.org/article/261/

Austin [more about rapid erosion] * http://grisda.org/origins/11090.htm

Ham - I got excited at Mount St. Helens!  http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v15/i3/mtsthelens.asp

Swenson - [huge boulder moved by Mt St H]    http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v17/i2/boulder.asp

Swenson & Catchpoole - After devastation… the recovery http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v22/i2/recovery.asp

 
Mt St Helens (as example of catastrophism)

Rapid erosion on Mount St. Helens shows Grand Canyon could form suddenly. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH581_1.html

A Visit To Mt. St. Helens [link from godandscience.org] -- http://www.doesgodexist.org/MarApr01/AVisitToMtStHelens.html

Neyman - #1  http://answersincreation.org/mountsainthelens.htm
#2  http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/other/sdc/sdc_mount_saint_helens.htm
#3  http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/cse/cse_saint_helens.htm
[ed: these three can be used both here and in "uniformitarianism & catastrophism" section;  maybe #1 in "unif & cat" and #2 (yes) and #3 (maybe) here?]

 
rapid formation-and-aging of volcanic islands

Andrews - The Lesson of Surtsey  AIG-YE-claim  http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v5/i2/surtsey.asp

Wieland - Surtsey, the young island that looks old!  http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v17/i2/surtsey.asp

AIG - ...lessons about things that "look old." [Tuluman Island] http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v21/i2/tuluman.asp

 
rapid formation-and-aging of volcanic islands

Neyman - [YE attitudes & tactics]  http://answersincreation.org/island.htm

 

 
volcanoes

Austin - [super-volcanoes during flood] * http://icr.org/article/431/

Austin & Hoesch - [super volcanoes] http://icr.org/article/2830/106/

Snelling & Woodmorappe [cooling of plutons] * http://icr.org/research/index/researchp_as_igneousbodies/

Snelling - Australian Burning Mountain [see response by Neyman]   http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v15/i2/mountain.asp

 
volcanoes

Volcanic material would have filled the earth if the earth were old  http://answersincreation.org/argument/G62_creation_science.htm
Volcanic mountains are built too fast for an old earth. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD502.html

Neyman - Australian Burning Mountain  http://answersincreation.org/mountain.htm

 

 
geology of basalts

Sousa - [basaltic geology] * http://origins.swau.edu/papers/geologic/lava/default.html

J.Morris - [Columbia River Basalts]   AIG-linked  http://icr.org/article/510/12/

Woodmorappe & Oard, Field Studies in Columbia River Basalt * http://answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/Magazines/tj/docs/v16n1_columbia.asp

 
geology of basalts

 

 
volcanic dikes

Rugg & Austin - [rapid lava dams in GC] * http://icr.org/research/index/researchp_sa_r02/

J.Morris - [Devil's Tower - basalt columns] AIG-linked -- http://icr.org/article/518/10/

Walker - [Devil's Tower - basalt columns]    http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v24/i3/devils_tower.asp

Walker - Giant’s Causeway [basalt pipes]  http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v27/i2/cause.asp

Froede - Stone Mountain [granitic pluton] http://creationresearch.org/crsq/articles/31/31_4b.html

 
volcanic dikes

Morton - dikes in Britain  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/britig.htm

Morton - batholith cooling  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/greatstonedome.htm

Neyman - Giant's Causeway [mainly re: radiometric dating] http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/magazines/Creation/2005/article_v27_i2_giant_causeway.htm

 

 
granite formation

Snelling & Woodmorappe - [rapid granite] * AIG-YE-claim http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v21/i1/rocks.asp *  

Snelling, Rapid Granite Formation? * AIG-YE-claim http://answersingenesis.org/tj/v10/i2/granite.asp

Woodmorappe - [viscosity of granitic magma] * http://answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/i2/rocks.asp

Walker - [granite texture & cooling rate] * http://answersingenesis.org/tj/v17/i2/plutons.asp
Bultsma (OE) and Walker (YE response)
 http://answersingenesis.org/home/area/feedback/negative_05august2002.asp

 
granite formation

 

 
 

 

 
minerals — opals  diamonds  metals

Snelling - Creating Opals     http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v17/i1/opals.asp

Snelling - diamonds  http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v16/i1/diamonds.asp

Snelling, microscopic diamonds * AIG-YE-claim http://answersingenesis.org/tj/v10/i1/diamonds.asp

Snelling - Mt Isa Metal Deposits  http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v6/i3/noah.asp

 
minerals – opals  metals  diamonds

Henke - fast opal synthesis - http://answersincreation.org/opals.htm

 

 
coal formation

J.Morris - [coal from peat swamps?]  http://icr.org/article/521/10/

Snelling - [coal beds] * http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v8/i3/noah.asp

Schonknecht & Scherer, Too Much Coal for a Young Earth? * http://answersingenesis.org/tj/v11/i3/coal.asp

Walker -  http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v23/i2/coal.asp

Wieland - [floating forests] http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v18/i1/forests.asp

Wieland - [worms in coal] http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v13/i2/worms.asp

Snelling - [polystrate coal]  http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v16/i3/swamp.asp

Snelling & Mackay - [volcanos & coal]  http://answersingenesis.org/tj/v1/i1/noah.asp

 
coal formation

Coal and oil can form quickly. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC361_1.html

Morton - floating forest  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/veggiematic.htm

Neyman - [floating forest & flood currents] http://answersincreation.org/floating.htm

EH - [variety of coal-related] http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/aigcoal.htm

TO (Littleton) - [coal & St.Helens] http://talkorigins.org/faqs/mtsthelens.html

Neyman - Joggins Fossil Cliffs [fossil trees] http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/icr/impact/joggins.htm

 

 
oil & gas in geology

[do any prominent YECs currently claim these?  check the references: pathlights.com (what is this?), Hovind (not considered reliable, even by YECs), H.Morris (in 1982)]

oil formation

McQueen - Oil Chemistry and Flood Geology AIG-linked http://icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=259

 
oil & gas in geology

Natural gas escapes too fast to allow for long ages  http://answersincreation.org/argument/G341_creation_science.htm
Natural gas escapes too fast to allow for long ages. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD230.html

High pressures in oil fields would have bled off if earth were old  http://answersincreation.org/argument/G342_creation_science.htm
High pressures in oil fields would have bled off if earth were old. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD231.html

Oil seepage would have drained offshore reservoirs in 20,000 years  http://answersincreation.org/argument/G343_creation_science.htm
Oil seepage would have drained offshore reservoirs in 20,000 years. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD232.html

oil formation

[why is there so much about coal formation, on both sides, but not oil?]

 
Niagara Falls

Pierce, Niagara Falls and the Bible [re: 1841?] * http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v22/i4/niagara_falls.asp

J.Morris - Dating Niagara Falls   http://icr.org/article/123/10/

[ed: don't they realize this is a "so what" argument? see right side]

 
Niagara Falls

Niagara Falls erosion rate indicates a young earth  http://answersincreation.org/argument/G71_creation_science.htm
The erosion rate of Niagara Falls' rim indicates a young earth. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD610.html

TO-faq  http://talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-yea2.html#proof17

 
erosion rates

Walker - Eroding Ages  AIG-YE-claim http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v22/i2/ages.asp

Oard, Antiquity of landforms: objective evidence that dating methods are wrong * http://answersingenesis.org/home/area/magazines/tj/docs/tj14n1_landforms.asp

 
erosion rates

After millions of years of erosion, we would have no mountains  http://answersincreation.org/argument/G61_creation_science.htm
On an old earth, mountains would have eroded by now. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD501.html

Neyman - Eroding Continents  http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/magazines/Creation/2000/erode_cont.htm

GM Illogical Young-earth Erosion [Rate] Argument  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/erosion.htm

 
ocean sediments

[currently, both left & right sides are defensive, with no initial claims or critiques, as if only #2 is there in a 1-2-3 exchange]  [if the amount of sediment is too much for thousands of years but not enough for millions, YEs must explain why there is as much as there is, and OEs must explain why there isn't more]

Roth - [shell-sediments in deep ocean] *  in short version [at bottom of page] http://grisda.org/origins/12003.htm#Roth and long version http://grisda.org/origins/12048.htm

Oard - [review of Vardiman’s book on seafloor sediments] * AIG-YE-claim http://answersingenesis.org/tj/v10/i3/sea_floor.asp
Vardiman - A Biblical Model of Deep Sea Floor Sedimentation * http://icr.org/research/index/researchp_lv_r01/

Roth, Turbidites [underwater mud flows] * http://grisda.org/origins/02106.htm

 
ocean sediment

There is not enough sediment in the ocean for an old earth  http://answersincreation.org/argument/G333_creation_science.htm
There is not enough sediment in the ocean for an old earth. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD220.html

Much more sediment is deposited than removed by subduction  http://answersincreation.org/argument/G334_creation_science.htm
Much more sediment is deposited than removed by subduction. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD220_1.html

Mississippi delta indicates a young earth  http://answersincreation.org/argument/G332_creation_science.htm
Mississippi delta could have formed in 5,000 years. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD211.html

Juvenile water is added to oceans too fast for an old earth  http://answersincreation.org/argument/G361_creation_science.htm
Juvenile water is added to oceans too fast for an old earth. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD222.html

 
ocean salt (in & out)

Sarfati - Salty seas (popular-level article based on A-and-H paper below)  AIG-YE-claim http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v21/i1/seas.asp

Austin & Humphreys, The Sea’s Missing Salt * AIG-YE-claim http://tccsa.tc/articles/ocean_sodium.html

Wieland - Sea salt loses its savour for evolutionists  AIG-YE-claim http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v14/i1/seasalt.asp

Williams - [salt in lake] http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v17/i2/salt_lake.asp

 
ocean salt (in & out)

Oceans do not have enough dissolved minerals for an old earth  http://answersincreation.org/argument/G335_creation_science.htm
Oceans do not have enough dissolved minerals for an old earth.  http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD221.html

Sodium accumulates in oceans too fast for an old earth  http://answersincreation.org/argument/G336_creation_science.htm
Sodium accumulates in oceans too fast for an old earth. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD221_1.html

[ed: the pages below have a lot about letters and "who said what, when" but I would prefer just reading what each side says about the science]

Morton - Salt in the Sea... http://home.entouch.net/dmd/salt.htm

Neyman - [re: more letters and some science]   http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/aig/daily/2006/20060331_feedback.htm

 
helium in atmosphere (in & out)

Sarfati - [He in air (and rocks)] * AIG-YE-claim http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v20/i3/old_earth.asp

Vardiman, The Helium Escape Problem * http://icr.org/article/247/

Malcolm, Helium in Earth’s Atmosphere * AIG-YE-claim http://answersingenesis.org/tj/v8/i2/helium.asp

Brown - [He-isotopes, etc] * http://grisda.org/origins/25055.htm

 
helium in atmosphere (in & out)

[this logic is similar to "ocean salt" but in a different context]

There is not enough helium in the atmosphere for an old earth. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE001.html  and more - http://talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-yea.html#proof14

 

 
 

 


MORE about Noah and the flood — was it local or global (considering Genesis and/or science)
plus questions about the ark & animals, and more — is in the temporary links-page for
Noah's Flood.

 
flood — water amount & source (and behavior)

AIG-ABook (Ch 12) - What about all that water? * http://answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/AnswersBook/flood12.asp

Williams - Drowned from below http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v22/i3/drowned.asp

Baumgardner & Barnette - Patterns of Ocean Circulation During Noah’s Flood [this can help explain "super erosion" but causes other problems for YE theories, as Neyman points out in several topic-categories] * http://icr.org/research/index/researchp_jb_patternsofcirculation/

Woodmorappe, Hypercanes: Rainfall Generators [to get 40 days of rain] During the Flood? *  http://answersingenesis.org/Home/area/magazines/TJ/TJv14n2_Hypercanes.pdf
Vardiman - Hypercanes Following the Flood *
http://icr.org/pdf/research/HYPERCANES.pdf

Walker - Where did all the water go?  http://biblicalgeology.net/content/view/50/

AIG-ABook - Where Did the Flood Waters Go? * http://christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-floodwater.html

Sherwin - Origin of the Oceans  http://icr.org/article/99/14/

 
flood - water amount & source

Neyman - [review of ABook (Ch 12) at left]  http://answersincreation.org/bookreview/answersbook/abc12.htm

A comet supplied some of the flood waters  http://answersincreation.org/argument/N12_creation_science.htm
Flood from comet. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH410.html

Patterns of Circulation Study [by Baumgardner & Barnette, at left] indicates that Noah's Flood could provide the erosional forces to deposit the world's sedimentary layers  http://answersincreation.org/argument/G73_creation_science.htm

Hydroplate theory  http://answersincreation.org/argument/N13_creation_science.htm
Hydroplate theory. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH420.html

Morton [re: hydroplate theory]  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/hydroplate.htm 

Couchman [re: hydroplate theory]  http://lordibelieve.org/wbrown.doc

 

 
vapor canopy

AIG - says this argument [re: existence & function of vapor canopy] is "doubtful, hence, inadvisable to use." http://answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/dont_use.asp#canopy

 
vapor canopy

The Vapor Canopy Theory  http://answersincreation.org/argument/N11_creation_science.htm
Flood from vapor canopy. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH401.html

The pre-Flood vapor canopy would have made the world Edenic. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH310.html
The pre-Flood vapor canopy would have extended human lifetimes. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH311.html

TO - Vapor Canopy Holds No Water - http://talkorigins.org/faqs/canopy.html

Ross - Raining on a Misconception http://www.reasons.org/resources/faf/1991_v5n2_q2/index.shtml#let_us_reason

Morton - Demise & Fall of Water Vapor Canopy http://home.entouch.net/dmd/canopy.htm

 
plate tectonics (during flood)

J.Morris - Did Noah's Flood Cover the Himalayan Mountains?  http://icr.org/article/520/10/

Batten - [did Noah need oxygen tank?] http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v18/i3/oxygen.asp

J.Morris - [when did mountains rise?]  http://icr.org/article/103/14/

Baumgardner - [recent uplift of mountains] * AIG-linked http://icr.org/article/98/10/

AIG - says this argument — that "plate tectonics is fallacious" — is "doubtful, hence, inadvisable to use." http://answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/dont_use.asp#tectonics

AIG-ABook (Ch 11) - What about continental drift? http://answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/AnswersBook/continental11.asp and [with extra pics] in http://christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c001.html

McIntosh,... - [integrated approach for flood models: ... , Hydroplates, Plate Tectonics, ...] [this page is also in YE models & debates]  http://answersingenesis.org/home/area/magazines/tj/docs/14n1flood_models.asp

Covey, Catastrophic Plate Tectonics * [in 4 pages: follow links for Parts 2-4]  http://creationinthecrossfire.org/Articles/CatastrophicPlates1.htm

six major YE authors (1994) - Catastrophic Plate Tectonics: Global Flood Model of Earth History * http://www.icr.org/research/index/researchp_as_platetectonicsl/

Baumgardner (1994) - Runaway Subduction as the Driving Mechanism for the Genesis Flood * AIG-linked http://www.icr.org/research/index/researchp_jb_runawaysubduction/

Baumgardner (1994) - Catstrophic Plate Tectonics: The Physics Behind the Genesis Flood *  http://globalflood.org/papers/2003ICCcpt.html

Baumgardner (1994) - Computer Modeling of the Large-Scale Tectonics * AIG-linked http://www.icr.org/research/index/researchp_jb_largescaletectonics/

Oard + Baumgardner - Forum on Catastrophic Plate Tectonics – 6 papers by YECs (3 pro by John R. Baumgardner & 3 con by Michael Oard) -- http://answersingenesis.org/tj/v16/i1/plate.asp

Baumgardner’s website -- http://globalflood.org/

Baumgardner, interview [in 1997 by Wieland & Batten] * http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i3/places.asp

Hoesch - [super-size tsunamis] [but is not applied to flood] http://icr.org/article/901/104/

AIG - says this argument — that "Earth’s division in the days of Peleg (Gen. 10:25) refers to catastrophic splitting of the continents" — "definitely should not be used."  http://answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/dont_use.asp#peleg

 
plate tectonics (during flood)

USGS (Kious & Tilling) - Story of Plate Tectonics (8-page teaching series) http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/dynamic/dynamic.html

The theory of plate tectonics is wrong. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD740.html

Plate tectonics occurred catastrophically and has since slowed  http://answersincreation.org/argument/G823_creation_science.htm
Plate tectonics occurred catastrophically and has since slowed. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD750.html

Runaway subduction  http://answersincreation.org/argument/N14_creation_science.htm
Runaway subduction. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH430.html

High mountains were raised during the Flood  http://answersincreation.org/argument/N434_creation_science.htm
High mountains were raised during the Flood. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH570.html

Neyman - [review of ABook (Ch 11) at left, re: Continental Drift]  http://answersincreation.org/bookreview/answersbook/abc11.htm

GM - Runaway Subduction is a Sham – http://home.entouch.net/dmd/subduction.htm

Siemens - More Problems With Flood Geology [plate tectonics & water]
http://asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/1992/PSCF12-92Siemens.html
Rust [letter response]  http://asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/1993/PSCF3-93Rust.html
Siemens [response to Rust]  http://asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/1993/PSCF9-93Siemens.html

Roberts - conventional plate tectonics  http://lordibelieve.org/time/age5.PDF  -- http://lordibelieve.org/time/age6.PDF

Roberts - problems with YE tectonics  http://lordibelieve.org/RunawaySubduction.doc

Roberts - notes from "plate tectonics" lecture by Baumgardner  http://lordibelieve.org/Baumgardner_Lecture.doc and notes with rebuttal-comments, Part 1 http://lordibelieve.org/JB_Rebuttal_1.doc  & Part 2  http://lordibelieve.org/JB_Rebuttal_2.doc

EH (written by John Stear?) for Evolution Education Site Ring:
History of Plate Tectonics http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/plate.htm
Rates of Plate Tectonics http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/plate2.htm
Evolution of Continents http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/plate3.htm
Laws of Physics http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/plate4.htm
References http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/plate5.htm

USGS - tectonics results (volcanos...) http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Glossary/PlateTectonics/description_plate_tectonics.html

EH (Stear) - Sea-floor Spreading & Age http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/CT.htm

USGS Magnetic Stripes & Isotopic Clocks by USGS http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/dynamic/stripes.html

 
flood-volcanoes would kill fish & people

 

 
flood-volcanoes would kill fish & people

Morton - Acidic Water of Global Flood Would Kill Noah and the Fish in the Sea  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/acid.htm

Morton - Carbon Dioxide & Global Flood: Everybody Dies  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/co2.htm

Morton - ["volcano pollution" paper rejected by YE journal, CRSQ, and GM's response letter]  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/letter.htm

 
many meteors (during flood)

 
many meteors (during flood)

Morton - http://home.entouch.net/dmd/meteors.htm

 
flood – survival (fish & plants)

J. Morris,How Could Fish Survive the Flood? * http://icr.org/article/1085/

Cumming - [fish survival] * AIG-linked http://icr.org/article/351/

Batten & Sarfati - [fish & plants] * http://answersingenesis.org/Docs/444.asp

AIG-ABook (Ch 14) - [fish] * http://answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/AnswersBook/fish14.asp

J.Morris - ... land plants during the Flood AIG-linked http://icr.org/article/1205

Ashcraft - [plant survival] * http://nwcreation.net/plantsurvival.html

 
flood — survival of fish & plants

Insects survived on floating vegetation mats  http://answersincreation.org/argument/N31_creation_science.htm
Insects survived on floating vegetation mats. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH511.html

Aquatic organisms could have survived the Flood  http://answersincreation.org/argument/N411_creation_science.htm
Aquatic organisms could have survived the Flood. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH541.html

Plants could have survived the Flood  http://answersincreation.org/argument/N421_creation_science.htm
Plants could have survived the Flood. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH542.html

Neyman - [review of ABook (Ch 14) at left, re: ocean currents & plant survival]  http://answersincreation.org/bookreview/answersbook/abc14.htm

Neyman - [bits & pieces]  http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/icr/drjohn/drjohn_19.htm

 
ice age (after flood)

J.Morris-1 - How soon after flood did earth return to equilibrium?  http://icr.org/article/505/12/

J.Morris-2 - Was there an ice age?  http://www.icr.org/article/1121

AIG-ABook (Ch 16) - What about the Ice Age? * http://answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/AnswersBook/iceage16.asp

AIG - [hot earth caused ice age] http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v16/i3/iceage.asp

Hoesch - Arctic Heat Wave AIG-linked  http://icr.org/article/2836/63/

Oard, The Ice Age and the Genesis Flood * AIG-linked http://icr.org/article/272

Wieland - [re: Oard & his ideas] http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i1/freeze.asp

Oard, A Post-Flood Ice Age Model http://grisda.org/origins/17008.htm

Vardiman, Cooling of the Ocean After the Flood * http://www.icr.org/article/406/

Vardiman, Numerical Simulation of Precipitation Induced by Hot Mid-Ocean Ridges * http://www.icr.org/research/index/researchp_lv_r04/

Hoesch - The Big Thaw [results]  http://icr.org/article/3126/102/

Oard-1997, Classic Tillite Reclassified as Submarine Debris Flow * [were tillites (supposedly glacial debris) formed during flood?] http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v11/i1/tillite.asp

Oard-2004 - Long-age puzzle of thin ice at the edge of the Laurentide Ice Sheet http://answersingenesis.org/tj/v18/i2/icesheet.asp

 
Lietha - movie review [re: OE teachings] of Ice Age
http://answersingenesis.org/docs2002/0319iceage.asp

[ed: as you can see in the title below, Oard claims a connection between the Ice Age and Woolly Mammoths]

Oard - Frozen in Time: The Woolly Mammoth, the Ice Age, and the Bible http://answersingenesis.org/home/area/FIT/index.asp
The chapters below are scattered (in order shown) throughout AIG’s topics-page about The Ice Age:
10. Catastrophic melting
http://answersingenesis.org/home/area/fit/chapter10.asp
  7. The Genesis flood caused the Ice Age
http://answersingenesis.org/home/area/fit/chapter7.asp
  6. The multiplication of ice age theories
http://answersingenesis.org/home/area/fit/chapter6.asp
  3. The mystery of the Ice Age
http://answersingenesis.org/home/area/fit/chapter3.asp
11. Only one Ice Age 
http://answersingenesis.org/home/area/fit/chapter11.asp
  9. The peak of the Ice Age
http://answersingenesis.org/home/area/fit/chapter9.asp
  8. The snowblitz
http://answersingenesis.org/home/area/fit/chapter8.asp
12. Do ice cores show many tens of thousands of years? 
http://answersingenesis.org/home/area/fit/chapter12.asp
13. Where was man during the Ice Age?
http://answersingenesis.org/home/area/fit/chapter13.asp

Vardiman, Global Warming [politics] and the Flood * http://www.icr.org/article/423/
Vardiman, A Faulty Climate Trigger *
http://www.icr.org/article/390/

 
ice age (after flood)

The Flood caused an ice age  http://answersincreation.org/argument/N44_creation_science.htm
The Flood caused an ice age. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH590.html  

Henke - Ancient Ice Ages AND Submarine Landslides, but NOT Noah's Flood [link from Neyman]  http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/henke_oard1.htm

Neyman - [re: J.Morris-2 at left, which ignores warming due to increased carbon dioxide]  http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/icr/drjohn/drjohn_56.htm

Neyman - [re: many ice ages] http://answersincreation.org/iceage.htm & with extra intro-paragraph added [in review of ABook (Ch 16) at left] http://answersincreation.org/bookreview/answersbook/abc16.htm

Neyman - [re: Oard-2004, about Laurentide Ice Sheet] http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/magazines/TJ/v18/TJ18_laurentide.htm

Neyman - review of GrandCanyon..., Ch 9 - The Ice Age (plus other topics)  http://answersincreation.org/bookreview/monument/c9.htm

Neyman - review of Frozen In Time: The Woolly Mammoth, The Ice Age, and the Bible, by Michael Oard (2004)
intro for review  http://answersincreation.org/bookreview/frozen/frozen_in_time.htm
3. mystery of Ice Age - http://answersincreation.org/bookreview/frozen/frozen_in_time_3.htm 
6. old-age theories about IA - http://answersincreation.org/bookreview/frozen/frozen_in_time_6.htm
7. IA caused by global flood - http://answersincreation.org/bookreview/frozen/frozen_in_time_7.htm
8. beginning of IA - http://answersincreation.org/bookreview/frozen/frozen_in_time_8.htm
9. peak of IA - http://answersincreation.org/bookreview/frozen/frozen_in_time_9.htm
10. floods at end of IA - http://answersincreation.org/bookreview/frozen/frozen_in_time_10.htm
11. one IA or many? - http://answersincreation.org/bookreview/frozen/frozen_in_time_11.htm
12. ice cores
dating - http://answersincreation.org/bookreview/frozen/frozen_in_time_12.htm

 
ice cores

Oard - Are Polar Ice Sheets Only 4500 Years Old?   http://icr.org/article/120/63/

Oard - Do ice cores show many tens of thousands of years? [Ch 12 of Frozen in Time]   http://answersingenesis.org/home/area/fit/chapter12.asp

Oard, Ice cores vs. the Flood [re: Seely's paper at right] * http://answersingenesis.org/tj/v18/i2/icecore.asp

Oard, Do Greenland Ice Cores Show Over 100,000 Years of Annual Layers? *  http://answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/i3/greenland.asp

Oard, Vardiman, and Wieland, Superficial Interpretation of Ice Core Data * http://creationresearch.org/creation_matters/pdf/2005/Oard%20preprint.PDF

Pitman, Ancient Ice * http://naturalselection.0catch.com/Files/ancientice.html

Vardiman, Ice Cores and the Age of the Earth *  AIG-linked  http://icr.org/article/355

Oard, Still trying to make ice cores old * http://answersingenesis.org/docs2006/1228ice-cores.asp

Oard - Wild ice-core interpretations [of O-isotope ratios] by uniformitarian scientists http://answersingenesis.org/tj/v16/i1/ice_core.asp

Vardiman, Out of Whose Womb Came the Ice? * AIG-linked  http://www.icr.org/article/383/ 

Vardiman, Rapid Changes in Oxygen Isotope Content of Ice Cores * http://icr.org/research/index/researchp_lv_r02 & same paper is here, http://answersingenesis.org/tj/v11/i1/oxygen.asp

Wieland - The Lost Squadron  AIG-YE-claim http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i3/squadron.asp

Wieland - Ice-bound plane flies again!  AIG-YE-claim http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v26/i1/plane.asp

 
ice cores

Lindsay (intro & 4 sub-pages) http://don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/icecap.html

Neyman - Ice Cores http://www.answersincreation.org/rebuttal/icr/impact/icecore.htm

Neyman - Frozen in Time review, Ch 12 - Ice Cores  http://answersincreation.org/bookreview/frozen/frozen_in_time_12.htm

TO-faq - Dating with Icecores - http://talkorigins.org/faqs/icecores.html

pscf - Seely - The GISP2 Ice Core: Ultimate Proof that Noah's Flood Was Not Global: http://asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2003/PSCF12-03Seely.pdf  and 3 letters:
    Godfrey (YE) http://asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2004/PSCF3-04Godfrey.pdf
    Eshelbrenner (YE) http://asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2004/PSCF6-04Eshelbrenner.pdf
    Seely (OE) [cold facts] http://asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2004/PSCF9-04Seely.pdf

World War II airplanes are now beneath thousands of "annual" ice layers  http://answersincreation.org/argument/G531_creation_science.htm
World War II airplanes are now beneath thousands of "annual" ice layers. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD410.html  

Neyman - Greenland Aircraft http://answersincreation.org/greenlandair.htm

news in Science Daily  http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/06/040611080100.htm

 

 
 

 

 
tree rings

Lorey, Tree Rings [old pines] and Biblical Chronology * http://icr.org/article/381 

Bergman & Doolan - The Oldest Living Things: Trees AIG-YE-claim http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v10/i1/oldest.asp

Bates - [why no super-old trees?]  AIG-YE-claim http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v25/i1/patriarch.asp

anonymous - [oldest trees] AIG-YE-claim http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v17/i3/living_tree.asp

tree rings and C-14

Batten, Tree Ring Dating (dendrochronology) * AIG-YE-claim http://answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/docs/tree_ring.asp

Brown - Can Tree Rings Be Used to Calibrate Radiocarbon Dates? * http://grisda.org/origins/22047.htm

Major - Dating in Archaeology: Radiocarbon & Tree-Ring Dating * http://www.apologeticspress.org/rr/rr1993/r&r9310a.htm

Brantley - Dating in Archaeology: Challenges to Biblical Credibility * http://www.apologeticspress.org/defdocs/rr1993/r&r9311a.htm

[ed: This section is also in the links-page for Radiometric Dating]

 
tree rings

EH - [annual dating methods: tree rings & ice cores & varves] http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/quat.htm

Dendrochronology is suspect because two or more rings can grow per year.   http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB501.html

dendro-principles - http://www.sonic.net/bristlecone/dendro.html

reliable?  http://www.biblicalchronologist.org/answers/c14_treerings.php

The oldest living thing is younger than 4,900 years  http://answersincreation.org/argument/N51_creation_science.htm
The Oldest Living Tree is around the age for Noah's Flood [and 11,700 years old --> 7,500 years] 
http://answersincreation.org/argument/E611_creation_science.htm

Neyman - [no super-old trees?]  http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/icr/impact/redwood.htm

 
magnetic field

Snelling - [rapid reversals in fossil magnetism] [1991] AIG-YE-claim http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v13/i3/fossil.asp

Snelling - Earth's magnetic field and age of the Earth [1991] AIG-YE-claim http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v13/i4/magnetic.asp

Snelling- [rapid magnetic reversals] * http://answersingenesis.org/docs/3397.asp

Sarfati - Earth’s Magnetic Field   [1998, after proposal of Catastrophic Plate Tectonics] AIG-YE-claim http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v20/i2/magnetic.asp

Humphreys, The Earth’s Magnetic Field is Young * http://icr.org/article/371 

Humphreys, The Earth’s Magnetic Field is Still Losing Energy * http://creationresearch.org/crsq/articles/39/39_1/GeoMag.htm

[the two papers below are also in the links-page for Astronomy]

Humphreys - The Creation of Planetary Magnetic Fields http://creationresearch.org/crsq/articles/21/21_3/21_3.html

Humphreys - Beyond Neptune: Voyager II Supports Creation [re: magnetic] http://icr.org/article/329

 
magnetic field

The earth's magnetic field is decaying, indicating a young earth  http://answersincreation.org/argument/G811_creation_science.htm
The earth's magnetic field is decaying, indicating a young earth. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD701.html

Cowling's theorem disproves dynamo theory of earth's magnetic field. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD701_1.html

[the next 4 pages discuss reversals, but these are now accepted by YEs, as you can see in Snelling's pages, the question is whether reversals were rapid during/after the flood, or slow]

Mid-ocean magnetic reversals do not show that the earth's magnetic field has changed polarization  http://answersincreation.org/argument/G822_creation_science.htm
Midocean magnetic anomalies are not reversals. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD741.html

USGS - reversals during seafloor-spreading http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/dynamic/stripes.html

Meert - [magnetic reversals] - http://gondwanaresearch.com/hp/magfield.htm

Thompson-TO(faq) - [detailed analysis]  http://talkorigins.org/faqs/magfields.html

Decay of the Earth's Magnetic Field Proves the Earth is Young - http://www.godandscience.org/youngearth/magnetic.php

 

 
DNA dating

Wieland - A shrinking date for ‘Eve’  AIG-YE-claim  http://answersingenesis.org/tj/v12/i1/eve.asp

Woodmorappe, Molecular Clocks Can Run Very Fast * http://www.rae.org/clocks.html

Plaisted, Mitochondrial DNA Mutation Rates * http://www.cs.unc.edu/~plaisted/ce/mitochondria.html

Brown, Mitochondrial Clock (abstracts of articles) * http://www.mhrc.net/mitochondria.htm

Harrub & Thompson, The Demise of ‘Mitochondrial Eve’ * http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2095

Harrub & Thompson, How Many Times Does ‘Mitochondrial Eve’ Have to Die? * http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2332

Sarfati - Genesis correctly predicts Y-Chromosome pattern: Jews and Arabs shown to be descendants of one man!  http://answersingenesis.org/docs2/4304news5-16-2000.asp

 
DNA dating

Mitochondrial Eve lived only 6500 years ago. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB621_1.html

 


amino acid dating

Wieland - Shaking hands on a recent creation [simplistic, makes strong YE claims]  http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v15/i4/hands.asp

Pitman, Amino Acid Racemization Dating [recognizes complexies, urges humility in defense against OE claims] * http://naturalselection.0catch.com/Files/aminoaciddating.html

Brown, Amino Acid Dating [is very thorough in teaching chemistry concepts, so might be useful for chem-novices] * http://www.creation-science-prophecy.com/amino/

 
amino acid dating

 

 
human growth & history

 
human growth & history

Human population growth indicates a young earth. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB620.html

Written history is too short.   http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CG/CG040.html

Agriculture is too recent. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CG/CG041.html

Deem - The Human Population is Increasing Too Rapidly -- http://godandscience.org/youngearth/population.html

Lindsay - population growth  http://don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/population_growth.html

GM Why Our Technological World Could Not Arise in a Mere 4000 Years -- http://home.entouch.net/dmd/technologyflood.htm

 
 

 

 
When you read this section, remember that WHEN and HOW are different questions about creation;  evidence for fossil evolution (with changes in biological species over a long period of time) is not evidence for neo-Darwinian evolution, relative to old-earth progressive creation, because fossil evolution
is compatible with a variety of theories (progressive creation, theistic evolution, atheistic evolution) as explained in Logical Evaluation of Evolutions where the table-row for "old earth with fossil evolution" is YES-YES-YES for three types of old-earth creation, with only young-earth creation saying NO.  Therefore, if you see authors implying that fossil evidence supports (only) neo-Darwinian evolution, they are claiming too much, since what is most strongly supported is an old earth.
 

 
fossils overview (how formed,...)

J.Morris - Are Fossils The Result of Noah's Flood?  http://icr.org/article/504/9/

J.Morris - Where are Fossils Found?  http://icr.org/article/508/9/

Parker - How fast? [summary about fossilization rates] http://answersingenesis.org/home/area/cfol/ch3-how-fast.asp

Pitman, The Fossil Record * [big overview] http://naturalselection.0catch.com/Files/fossilrecord.html

Roth, False Fossils * http://grisda.org/origins/23110.htm

 
fossils overview (how formed,...)

Lindsay - What are fossils?  http://don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/fossil_def.html
How are fossils found?  http://don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/fossil_finding.html
Complete fossil record?  http://don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/completeness.html
The rarity of old fossils  http://don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/fossil_rarity.html

GM - Non-Catastrophic & Modern Fossilization -- http://home.entouch.net/dmd/fossilization.htm

 

 
rapid rock formation

Neyman (at right) has responses to these pages, thru Snelling-2005

J.Morris - Are Human Artifacts Ever Petrified?   http://icr.org/article/569/153/ 

Walker - Zippy fossils [overview]  http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v27/i2/fossils.asp
Walker - Message in a Bottle 
http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v22/i3/bottle.asp
Walker - [fast-forming limestone] http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v20/i4/choking.asp
Walker - Petrified Flour
http://answersingenesis.org/home/area/magazines/docs/v23n1_flour.asp

Wieland - half-petrified fossil http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v5/i1/fossil.asp

Snelling-2005 [wood petrification] * AIG YE-claim http://icr.org/article/13/

Snelling-1995) ‘Instant’ Petrified Wood  AIG YE-claim http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v17/i4/wood.asp


Brown, How Rapidly Can Wood Petrify? * http://grisda.org/origins/05113.htm

Maclachlan - Tarawera’s Night of Terror [rapid “petrified fossils”] AIG-YE-claim http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v18/i1/tarawera.asp

White - Amazing stone bears of Yorkshire http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v24/i3/stone_bears.asp

AIG - [review]  http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v21/i1/sandy.asp
hat 
http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v17/i3/fossil_hat.asp
fence-wire
http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v20/i3/fossil.asp
clock AIG-YE-claim
http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i3/clock.asp
spark plug 
http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v21/i4/rocks.asp
pliers 
http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v14/i1/pliers.asp
keys 
http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v17/i1/rock_formation.asp
bell 
http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v20/i2/bell.asp
waterwheel 
http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v16/i2/waterwheel.asp

 
rapid rock formation

Fossils can form quickly.   http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC361.html

Neyman - Are Human Artifacts Ever Petrified? http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/icr/drjohn/drjohn_154.htm
Neyman - [re: zippy fossils] http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/magazines/Creation/2005/article_v27_i2_fossils.htm
Neyman - [re: bottle] http://answersincreation.org/bottle.htm
Neyman - [re: fast-forming limestone in carbonate-choked pipes]  http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/magazines/Creation/1998/article_v20_i4_choke.htm
Neyman - [re: "petrified" flour]  http://answersincreation.org/petrified.htm
Neyman - [re: half-petrified fossil] http://answersincreation.org/flinders.htm
Neyman [re: wood petrification] http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/icr/impact/petrified2.htm

 

 
wood petrification – fossil forests

Sarfati, Yellowstone Petrified Forests *  http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v21/i2/yellowstone.asp

J. Morris, Yellowstone Petrified Forests * http://icr.org/article/397

Coffin, The Yellowstone Petrified ‘Forests’ [big overview] * http://grisda.org/origins/24002.htm

Webster, Questions about Bridgewater Fossil ‘Forest’ * http://grisda.org/origins/23050.htm

 
wood petrification – fossil forests

Yellowstone's Specimen Creek fossil forests were evidently transported.  [re: Sarfati] http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC332.html and [re:J.Morris] http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC332_1.html  and http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC332_2.html

Neyman - Yellowstone Petrified Forests [re: Sarfati] http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/magazines/Creation/1999/yellowstone.htm

EH - Fossil Forests http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/forests.htm

 
rapid burial of fossils

Wieland - Vanishing giant [why so few fossils?]  http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v24/i4/vanishing.asp

AIG - Folded ferns http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v18/i4/ferns.asp

Vetter - Double tragedies frozen in lime [half-eaten fish,…] http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v12/i4/lime.asp

Calais - Rapid fossils [half-eaten] http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v16/i3/fossil.asp

McClay - Dino dinner [half-eaten by mammal] hard to swallow? http://answersingenesis.org/docs2005/0121dino_dinner.asp

McClay - [buried half-birth] http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i3/birth.asp

Catchpoole - [pterosaur inside egg] http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v27/i2/pterosaur.asp

AIG - Lily of the sea [crinoid with heads]  http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v20/i1/lily.asp

Mackay - [shells in context] http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v3/i2/shells.asp

Catchpoole - [moulting arthropod] http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v27/i2/moulting.asp

Lalomov - [fossil reptiles in Russia] http://answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/i1/russia.asp

Hodge & Davis - Two Fighting Dinosaurs? [process of fossilization in sand] http://answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v1/n1/two-fighting-dinosaurs

Walker - [well-preserved dinos] http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v26/i3/plesiosaur.asp

Sherwin - [jellyfish facts] http://icr.org/article/2479/110/

AIG - [jellyfish in sandstone] http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v4/i2/jellyfish.asp

Catchpoole - Hundreds of jellyfish fossils! http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v25/i4/fossils.asp

 
rapid burial of fossils

Fossilization requires sudden burial. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC363.html

Contorted positions of fossil animals indicate rapid burial.   http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC361_3.html

Mammoths that were quickly frozen have been found. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC361_2.html

Lindsay - rapid burial  http://don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/instant.html

Morton - delicate insect fossils  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/insect.htm

Neyman - [re: McClay, buried half-birth - at left] http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/magazines/Creation/1997/buriedbirth.htm

Neyman - [re: Catchpoole, moulting arthropod - at left] http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/magazines/Creation/2005/article_v27_i2_moulting.htm

Neyman - [re: Lalomov, fossil reptiles in Russia - at left] http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/magazines/TJ/v15/TJ15_tetrapod.htm

[re: Hodge & Davis - at left] http://dinocreationistsfairytale.wordpress.com/2007/01/04/davis-and-hodge-podge-over-the-2-fighting-dinosaurs-of-mongolia/

 

 
polystrate fossils

J.Morris, What are Polystrate Fossils? * http://icr.org/article/1144 

J.Morris, The Polystrate and Coal Seams of Joggins Fossil Cliffs * AIG-linked  http://icr.org/article/445

Walker & Wieland - Kamikaze ichthyosaur?  http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v27/i4/ichthyosaur.asp

 
polystrate fossils

Don Lindsay - http://don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/polystrate.html

Neyman - Polystrate Fossils  http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/icr/drjohn/drjohn_81.htm

Polystrate fossils indicate massive sudden deposition. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC331.html

TO (MacRae) - "Polystrate" Tree Fossils  http://talkorigins.org/faqs/polystrate/trees.html

A fossil whale was found vertically through several strata.   http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC335.html

TO (South) - ["polystrate" whale]  http://talkorigins.org/faqs/polystrate/whale.html

Neyman - [re: kamikaze ichthyosaur - at left] http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/magazines/Creation/2005/article_v27_i4_ichthyosaur.htm

[also check Varves - especially Morton-3 and Henke at end]

 
rapid burial — large collections of fossils

Oard - [dead whales in diatomite]  http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v26/i4/whales.asp

Snelling - [Fossil Insect Bed] AIG-linked  http://icr.org/article/474 

Hoesch & Austin - ...Jurassic Jumble?  AIG-linked http://icr.org/article/106/10/

Woodmorappe, The Karoo Vertebrate Nonproblem * http://answersingenesis.org/Home/area/magazines/TJ/TJv14n2_KarooNon.pdf

Snelling - [crinoids,... in fossil graveyard]  http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v20/i3/burial.asp

Weston - La Brea Tar Pits, Parts 1-3   http://creationresearch.org/crsq/articles/38/38_4/LaBrea.htm   http://creationresearch.org/crsq/articles/39/39_3/LaBrea.htm    http://creationresearch.org/crsq/articles/40/40_1/LaBrea3.htm

 
rapid burial — large collections of fossils

Large collections of fossils indicate catastrophism. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC362.html

Neyman - [re: Insect Fossil Bed - at left]  http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/icr/impact/insectbed.htm

Neyman - [re: dead whales in diatomite - at left] http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/magazines/Creation/2004/article_v26_4_whales.htm

Morton - [number of fossils]  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/toomanyanimals.htm

 

 
seashells on mountain-tops

Catchpoole - Giant Oysters on Mountain  http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v24/i2/oysters.asp

 
seashells on mountain-tops

The flood deposited seashells high upon mountaintops  http://answersincreation.org/argument/N4341_creation_science.htm
Sea fossils have been found on mountaintops. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC364.html
 

 
fossils in Grand Canyon

Parker - [Grand Canyon, a mix, re: fossils & much more]  http://answersingenesis.org/home/area/cfol/ch3-grand-canyon.asp

[ed: I'm sure there are other YE pages about this, or fossils are mixed

with other GC-topics, as in Parker's page]

 
fossils in Grand Canyon

Neyman - review-GrCanyon (fossils) Ch 7  http://answersincreation.org/bookreview/monument/c7.htm

 

 
stratigraphy-patterns in small fossils (ammonites,...)

Tosk, Foraminifers in the Fossil Record * http://grisda.org/origins/15008.htm

AIG - [do ammonoids become more complex?]   http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v20/i2/fossils.asp

Sherwin - Ammonite Evolution? http://icr.org/article/27/10/

 
stratigraphy-patterns in small fossils (foraminifera, pollen,...)

Morton - Microfossil Stratigraphy [study this page!]  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/micro.htm
[here are some comments, to accompany the WHEN-and-HOW introduction above:  in this page the "evolution" is small-scale with only small differences between successive species, with the types of small change that are accepted by young-earth creationists;  the main claim of this page is that the observed fossil pattern would not occur in a young-earth global flood, but is consistent with an old earth]

EH - fossil patterns [of foraminifera] http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/sle.htm
G.Morton - Pollen Order Presents Problems for the Flood  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/pollen.htm

Isotopic Sorting ["fossil patterns" logic] http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/iso.htm

 
stratigraphy-patterns in fossils

Woodmorappe - [Fossil Record Becoming More Random] * http://answersingenesis.org/home/area/magazines/tj/v14n1_fossil-rec.asp

Oard - How Well Do Paleontologists Know Fossil Distributions?   http://answersingenesis.org/tj/v14/i1/fossils.asp

Oard - [circular reasoning]  http://answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/i2/circular.asp

Gibson, Analysis of Fossil Patterns * http://grisda.org/origins/23068.htm

Walker - [slow fish get buried]  http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v22/i3/show_fish.asp

AIG - [platypus only in Australia?] http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v14/i1/platypus.asp

Wise, Punctuated Equilibria Creation Style * http://grisda.org/origins/16011.htm

 
stratigraphy-patterns in fossils

Fossils are sorted hydrologically  http://answersincreation.org/argument/N4332_creation_science.htm
Fossils are sorted by ecological zonation  http://answersincreation.org/argument/N4331_creation_science.htm
Fossils are sorted by the ability to escape  http://answersincreation.org/argument/N4333_creation_science.htm

Fossils are sorted by ecological zonation. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH561_1.html
Fossils are sorted hydrologically. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH561_2.html
Fossils are sorted by the ability to escape. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH561_3.html
Fossils are sorted by a combination of these factors. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH561_4.html

Fossils are dated from strata, strata are dated from fossils. [circularity] http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC310.html

Many fossils are out of place.   http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC340.html

Neyman - [re: Fossil Record Becoming More Random - at left] http://answersincreation.org/fossilrecord.htm

GM - [fish-problems for the flood]  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/fish.htm

GM - [increasing complexity]  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/celltype.htm

GM - [fossil patterns]  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/whereanimals.htm

GM - Fleeing from the Flood [ed-comment: but YECs also propose ecological zonation,...]  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/flee.htm

GM - rock properties & fossil age  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/rockprop.htm

EH - Fossils [details] http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/ff.htm

Neyman - Ham Can't Tell the Simple Truth! [re: fossil patterns,…]  http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/aig/daily/2005/20050912_ham_truth.htm

 
pollen in old rocks

[ed: Has this argument been abandoned by YE because, as explained by TO & Henke, the collection of pollen wasn't done well?]

 
pollen in old rocks

Recent pollen has been found in old rocks. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC341.html

Henke - [pollen due to contamination?] http://answersincreation.org/henke_burdick_pollen.htm

Neyman - Fossil Pollen in Grand Canyon Overturns Plant Evolution  [ed: he doesn't mention possibility of contamination] http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/magazines/Creation/1989/pollen.htm

 
organic material (dino blood,...) in old layers

Snelling - [Mud Springs surprise]  http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i2/surprise.asp

Sherwin - Devastating Issue of Dinosaur Tissue http://icr.org/article/2033/78/

Wieland - Sensational dinosaur blood report!  http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i4/blood.asp

Wieland - [fossilization process] http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v21/i1/dinosaurbones.asp

Wieland [letter & response] http://answersingenesis.org/docs2002/0325RBCs.asp

Wieland - [TRex tissue] http://answersingenesis.org/docs2005/0325Dino_tissue.asp

3. Wieland - Squirming at the Squishosaur http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/0516squishosaur.asp

AIG - [TRex bone] http://answersingenesis.org/docs2006/0306AAAS.asp

Helder - [fresh dino bones] http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v14/i3/dinosaurbones.asp

 
organic material (dino blood,...) in old layers

Jurassic shells from mud springs are remarkably preserved. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC373.html
Neyman - [re: Mud Springs surprise - at left]  http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/magazines/Creation/1997/mudspring.htm

 

Evidence of blood in a Tyrannosaurus bone indicates recent burial. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC371.html
Soft tissues from a Tyrannosaurus bone indicate recent burial. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC371_1.html

Dinosaur Soft Tissue in T. rex Bones  http://godandscience.org/youngearth/dinoblood.html

TO-faq (Hurd) - Dino-blood and the Young Earth - http://talkorigins.org/faqs/dinosaur/blood.html

TO (Hurd) - Dino Blood Redux (facts, media,...)  http://talkorigins.org/faqs/dinosaur/flesh.html

Greg Moore -- 1. http://reasons.org/resources/apologetics/dinosaur_blood.shtml
2. http://reasons.org/resources/apologetics/dinosaur_blood_revisited.shtml  
3. Wieland- [re: Squirming at the Squishosaur - at left]
4. http://reasons.org/resources/apologetics/greg_moore_carl_wielands_squishosaur.shtml

Neyman (2003) - T-Rex Blood  http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/magazines/Creation/1997/trexblood.htm

Neyman (2005) - T-Rex Soft Tissue http://answersincreation.org/trex_soft_tissue.htm

Neyman (2006) - More TRex Claims  http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/aig/daily/2006/20060306_trex.htm

TO - osteocalcin - Ancient Molecules and Modern Myths - http://talkorigins.org/faqs/dinosaur/osteocalcin.html

 
bacteria in old salt, life in old rocks

AIG - Salty Saga  http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v23/i4/saltysaga.asp

van der Heide, Bacterial Life in Ancient Salt * http://answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/Magazines/tj/docs/v16n2_bacteria.asp

Roth, Life in Deep Rocks... * http://grisda.org/origins/19093.htm

Tyler, Are Stromatolites Really Fossils? * http://www.biblicalcreation.org.uk/scientific_issues/bcs075.html

 
bacteria in old salt

 

 
young DNA in old layers

Wieland - [old DNA]  http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v14/i3/fossil.asp

AIG (1991) - [old DNA]  http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v13/i2/dna.asp

Pitman - [overview] * http://naturalselection.0catch.com/Files/fossilizeddna.html

Criswell - How Soon Will Jurassic Park Open? http://icr.org/article/2817/67/

Sherwin - Amber: Window to Recent Past  AIG-linked http://icr.org/article/2824/9/

Brown [intro + abstracts, re: old DNA] * http://www.mhrc.net/ancientDNA.htm
 

 
young DNA in old layers

 

 
 

 

 
dinosaur footprints

Oard - footsteps of giants  http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v25/i2/footsteps.asp

Brand & Florence, Stratigraphic Distribution of Footprints & Body Fossils * http://grisda.org/origins/09067.htm

 
dinosaur footprints

Footprints in the Coconino were made underwater  http://answersincreation.org/argument/G312_creation_science.htm
Footprints in the Coconino Sandstone appear to have been made underwater. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC365.html

Kuban - Overview of DinoTracking  http://paleo.cc/paluxy/ovrdino.htm

Neyman [re: Brand & Florence, at left] http://answersincreation.org/trackways.htm

TO (MacRae) - DinoPrints in Coal [is the argument clear?]  http://talkorigins.org/faqs/coalprints.html

 
Paluxy tracks — humans & dinos together

J.Morris - The Paluxy River Mystery  http://icr.org/article/255

AIG - says this argument — that "Paluxy tracks prove that humans and dinosaurs co-existed" — "definitely should not be used."  http://answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/dont_use.asp#paluxy

 
Paluxy tracks — humans & dinos together

Human footprints have been found with dinosaur tracks at Paluxy.   http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC101.html

Lindsay - Glen Rose Man  http://don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/glen_rose_man.html

Neyman  [overview + links]  http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/cem/cem.htm

TO (Kuban) [intro + 20 links]  http://talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy.html

Kuban [intro + 60 links]  http://paleo.cc/paluxy.htm

 
human fossils (and footprints)

J.Morris, Why Don't We Find More Human Fossils? * http://icr.org/article/1103/

AIG-ABook, Ch 15 - Where are all the human fossils?  http://answersingenesis.org/docs2/4419.asp

Snelling - Where Are All the Human Fossils? * http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v14/i1/humanfossils.asp and (with two intro-paragraphs plus dictionary-links)  http://christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c014.html  

Menton - [human prints]  http://answersingenesis.org/docs2006/0130mexican_footprints.asp

 
human fossils (and footprints)

Neyman - [re: J.Morris, at left] http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/icr/drjohn/drjohn_37.htm

Neyman - [re: ABook, at left]  http://answersincreation.org/bookreview/answersbook/abc15.htm 
and another!  [re: ABook, at left]  http://answersincreation.org/humanfossils.htm

Neyman - [re: Menton, at left] http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/aig/daily/2006/20060130_mexican_footprints.htm

Human fossils are out of place. [with 8 pages under CC100  http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html#CC100 including this one:
Moab man was found in Cretaceous sandstone. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC110.html

Neyman - Moab Man  http://answersincreation.org/moab_man.htm

 
humans & dinos together

J.Morris - [dinos after the flood]  http://www.icr.org/article/1118/

Hodge - ...why don’t we find human fossils with dinosaur fossils? http://answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v1/n1/humans-and-dinosaurs

Swift - Messages on Stone  http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i2/stone.asp

Driver - [aborigines & dinos]  http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v21/i1/aborigines.asp

Cole - [dinos in Cambodia]  http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2007/0115angkor.asp

Gibbons - [dinos in Congo?] http://www.icr.org/article/306/7/

AIG says an argument — that "the Castenedolo and Calaveras human remains in ‘old’ strata invalidate the geologic column" — "definitely should not be used."  http://answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/dont_use.asp#calaveras

 
humans & dinos together

Humans and dinosaurs once lived together.  http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH710.html
with 8 pages about sub-claims, http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html#CH700

Neyman - [re: dinos after the flood, at left] http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/icr/drjohn/drjohn_53.htm

Neyman - [re: Messages on Stone, at left] http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/magazines/Creation/1997/pioneers.htm

Neyman - [re: aborigines & dinos, at left]  http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/magazines/Creation/1998/aboriginal.htm

Neyman - [re: dinos in Cambodia, at left]  http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/aig/daily/2007/20070115_dinosaur.htm

 

 
dinosaurs

Ham - [taking dinos back] http://answersingenesis.org/us/newsletters/0505lead.asp

AIG-ABook (Ch 19) - What happened to the dinosaurs? http://answersingenesis.org/home/Area/AnswersBook/dinosaurs19.asp

Kennedy, The Intriguing Dinosaur * http://grisda.org/resources/dialogue_0509.htm

J.Morris - Did Dinos Hunt in Packs? [reconstructions]  http://icr.org/article/762/9/

Barnhart, Dinosaur Nests Reinterpreted * http://creationresearch.org/crsq/articles/41/41_2/Dinotests.htm

Baker - Sea Dragons  AIG-linked  http://icr.org/article/119

 
dinosaurs

Neyman - [re: taking dinos back]  http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/aig/daily/2005/20050509_takingdinos.htm

Neyman - [re: ABook Ch 19] http://answersincreation.org/bookreview/answersbook/abc19.htm

Neyman - dinos & age (print-flyer) http://answersincreation.org/Dino_Flyer.PDF

Neyman - dino-life during flood  http://answersincreation.org/poop.htm

Neyman - [re: dino-book by Ham]  http://answersincreation.org/bookreview/dino_mystery/the_great_dinosaur_mystery_solved.htm

Neyman - [dino-claims by Hovind]  http://answersincreation.org/drdino.htm

Neyman - in his dino-links page ( http://answersincreation.org/dino.htm ) some resources are omitted (because they don't seem age-relevant) and so are sections about “Dinosaurs in the News” and “Best Dinosaur Websites on the Internet”.  In these omissions, did I miss anything useful?

 
living fossils

H.Morris - The Profusion of Living Fossils  http://www.icr.org/article/774/

Catchpoole - "Living Fossils" Enigma  http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v22/i2/living_fossil.asp

 
living fossils

[Are these claims - and those about "living plesiosaurs" by Hovind, below - relevant for questions about age, or only for evolution?]  [for example, older versions of a species are in lower layers, but if there are no older versions this OE argument is defeated]

Neyman - Living Fossils  http://answersincreation.org/livingfossil.htm

Morton - living fossils  http://home.entouch.net/dmd/livfos.htm

Some fossil species are still living. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB930.html  with 4 claims at "CB930" in http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html#CB900


 
dinos alive now — plesiosaurs as living fossils

AIG - says this argument — that "the Japanese trawler Zuiyo Maru caught a dead plesiosaur near New Zealand" — "definitely should not be used."  http://answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/dont_use.asp#plesiosaur

 
dinos alive now — plesiosaurs as living fossils

Neyman - [plesiosaurs - does only Hovind claim this?]  http://answersincreation.org/plesiosaur.htm and [on Hovind's website]  http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/cse/cse_moores_beach_plesiosaur.htm

 
dinosaur extinction

Sarfati, Did Meteor Wipe Out Dinosaurs? * http://answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/docs/dino_meteor.asp

Wieland - [review of OE-book that criticizes theory proposing dino-extinction by meteor] *  http://answersingenesis.org/tj/v12/i2/dinosaur.asp

DeYoung - [many dino-demise theories] * http://icr.org/article/453 

Matthews - [changes in demise theories] http://answersingenesis.org/docs2002/1115dinosaur.asp

Oard - [big overview] http://answersingenesis.org/tj/v11/i2/dinosaur.asp

Oard - [dinos lived longer than OE thinks] http://answersingenesis.org/tj/v17/i3/dinosaurs.asp

Oard, The Extinction of Dinosaurs * http://answersingenesis.org/home/area/magazines/TJ/docs/tjv11n2_extinct.pdf

AIG-news:  [crater & demise] http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v12/i3/news.asp
Don’t blame asteroid http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v26/i1/focus.asp
[...volcanoes killing dinos] http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v22/i1/focus.asp

 
dinosaur extinction

Neyman - dinosaur extinction - http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/magazines/TJ/TJ11_dinosaur_extinction.htm

Neyman - What Happened to the Dinosaurs? [hovind]  http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/cse/cse_dinosaur_whitmore.htm

 

 
mammoths (in ice age?)

AIG - "Mr. Ice Age" solves woolly mammoth mystery http://answersingenesis.org/docs2/4401tjmammoth11-08-2000.asp

Sarfati - Mammoth: Riddle of the Ice Age  http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v22/i2/mammoth.asp

AIG - Millions of Mammoth Fossils  http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v21/i4/mammoth.asp

AIG - says one argument — that "woolly mammoths were flash frozen during the Flood catastrophe" — "definitely should not be used."  http://answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/dont_use.asp#mammoth

Oard - Comment on [Discovery Channel's]  Land of the Mammoth http://answersingenesis.org/docs2001/0316news.asp

Oard, The Extinction of the Wooly Mammoth: Was It a Quick Freeze? * http://answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/Magazines/tj/docs/tj14_3-mo_mammoth.pdf

Oard - The Great Mammoth Mystery...SOLVED! (intro + webcast) http://answersingenesis.org/home/area/webcasts/mammoth/mammoth.asp

 

mammoths (still alive? recently alive?) & people

AIG - Are mammoths still alive? http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v15/i4/mammoths.asp

Wieland - ‘Lost world’ animals... found!  http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i1/lostworld.asp

Swift - Mammoth among the pharoahs? http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i4/mammoth.asp

AIG - Mammoth Tusk Boomerang  http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v17/i4/focus.asp#tusk

 
review of Frozen in Ice -- mammoths (and humans)

1. mammoths intro - http://answersincreation.org/bookreview/frozen/frozen_in_time_1.htm

2. mammoths (why in Siberia?) http://answersincreation.org/bookreview/frozen/frozen_in_time_2.htm

4. mammoth mysteries - http://answersincreation.org/bookreview/frozen/frozen_in_time_4.htm

5. extinctions at end of IceAge - http://answersincreation.org/bookreview/frozen/frozen_in_time_5.htm

13. humans in I.A. - http://answersincreation.org/bookreview/frozen/frozen_in_time_13.htm

14. mammoths thrive in I.A. - http://answersincreation.org/bookreview/frozen/frozen_in_time_14.htm

15. mammoths quick-frozen - http://answersincreation.org/bookreview/frozen/frozen_in_time_15.htm

16. mammoths extinctions - http://answersincreation.org/bookreview/frozen/frozen_in_time_16.htm